Julien and Kiersten Saunders are the authors of the bestselling book, Cashing Out: Win The Wealth Game By Walking Away. The Cashing Out podcast is a series of conversations with experts, authors and friends on topics covered in the book.

In this podcast episode, they’re joined by three guests to discuss the decision making process before leaving their corporate jobs. First we hear from Anthony and Jhanilka Hartzog [The Hartrimony]; the owners of a multi-six figure “hands off” cleaning business, podcasters and creators. to learn more about them visit www.cleaningbusinessuniversity.com or @TheHartrimony

Next, we hear from Chris Browning a former analyst and payroll manager, turned full time podcaster, columnist and personal finance expert. Chris left his full time job reluctantly and now enjoys the freedom and flexibility of entrepreneurship. To learn more about Chris, visit https://popcornfinance.com/ or @PopcornFinance

Last, we hear from Ericka who has worked in tech for over a decade until she was laid off in late 2022. In this episode she shares the ups and downs of working in tech as a Black professional, what to do if you’re offered company stock and how her and her husband [who is in the military] plan to retire early. To learn more about Ericka, visit www.freelennial.com.

Can’t-miss moments
00:01:17 — 1: Walking away from a good job can feel like the death of an identity
00:02:39 — 2: Would you ever go back to a traditional corporate job?
00:05:04 — 3: People leave managers, not jobs
00:05:38 — 4: I have a physical reaction to people using the word “entreprenuer”
00:08:41 — 5: The motivations behind walking away from a a full-time job
00:10:48 — 6: The freedom of being an entrepreneur
00:11:18 — 7: Why many people struggle to make the transition to entreprenuership
00:12:50 — 8: Is self-employment as hard as you thought it would be?
00:14:10 — 9: Structuring a work day on your own vs. with a typical 9-to-5
00:15:03 — 10: The pressures of being your own boss
00:16:21 — 11: Coping with being censored at work
00:19:11 — 12: There is no perfect place to be a Black person in corporate America
00:20:57 — 13: Black employees and leaders self-policing behavior at work
00:22:29 — 14: The heartbreak of not feeling supported by Black leaders
00:25:47 — 15: The anger of being passed over or laid off
00:27:55 — 16: The importance of retiring to something vs. just retiring from it
00:31:45 — 17: Does anyone truly love work?
00:34:16 — 18: Where does the confidence to leave come from?
00:36:34 — 19: The nuance of quitting the military
00:37:21 — 20: Being on the same page as your partner feels like freedom
00:39:01 — 21: There are more synonyms for “grit” than there are for quitting
00:40:57 — 22: Some jobs are good, but all jobs are temporary
00:41:13 — 23: There are more meaningful rewards to achieve than money
00:43:27 — 24: The theory of employment as a subsidy
00:43:55 — 25: The paradigm shift of viewing entrepreneurship as being paid to learn
00:44:31 — 26: Everyone should do something outside of their jobs to make money
00:48:08 — 27: Sometimes it makes me money, and sometimes it makes me happy
00:50:57 — 28: What to think about if you’re offered employee stock
00:54:39 — 29: Cashing out of employee stock options
00:58:57 — 30: The value of imagination in entrepreneurship
00:01:09 — 31: How has parenting affected your life as an entrepreneur?

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Footage and locations seen in this series include:

-Barnes & Noble Metairie
-Audobon Park
-JamNola
-The Voodoo Museum
-Jackson Square
-Baldwin & Company Bookstore
-The Vintage coffee shop
-Turkey & The Wolf restaurant
-Drago’s Metairie
-Canopy, by Hilton
-Daquiri Run on 61
-Tava Indian Street Food
-St. Louis Cemetery

To learn more about Julien and Kiersten Saunders, other projects, speaking, events and more, visit www.richandregular.com

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